Talk:Enemies

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Dropping by to let you know that enemies can have multiple variations. The difference between those is that they have different stats, so any entry here should be threated with care, because it's fairly nondescript without any mention of what variation the enemy is. EDIT: It's always 3 variations, called A, B and C. I'll fit the monster box so that these could easily be added. --Dooomspeaker (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up --Z3ther (talk) 21:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the mention, I was aware of this but did not work on the original page. I feel the page should be renamed to "Monsters" also as that is what the game files refer to enemies as. --NecroSanct (talk) 02:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

To be fair, they are both referred to as monsters and enemies so we can either forward everything here to "Monsters" or just leave it as is and forward the Monsters page here. Also, as Dooomspeaker noted, most of the enemies have variations, so we'll need to take out all the HP, DODGE, SPD, resistances tables for each of the monsters on the list. But regardless, thanks for your efforts so far @NecroSanct, excellent work. --Z3ther (talk) 10:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
As I mentioned, Monster is the name that is used in every instance in the game files when referencing them. I am just a stickler for keeping to what Redhook decided to go with is all. As for the varied kinds per type, you can see that the Shared Monster table I added includes the 3 various kinds of each type in the form of the files NameHere_A_info.darkest, NameHere_B_info.darkest, NameHere_C_info.darkest located in the various folders inside the "monsters" folder. Note that I left out Dodge on the table as that is not in the files I pulled from. --NecroSanct (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Please check the Bone Defender to see our reference page for an monster (you got a point about the naming here indeed!) entries. If you want all the enemy stats collected on one page, there's really nothing speaking against that either.
I understand that the table is lacking additional information. That is one of my issues against it. I didn't make that page to begin with, I just added to what already existed. If it were up to me I would have the main Monsters page with a brief text breakdown at the top and a master list of every monster "group" in the game and leaving the individual entries on their own pages along with the monsters found in each dungeon on the specific dungeon pages. I mainly just pull info from files and add it in where it is needed as I have time. That is why as I said above I am a stickler for naming conventions, such as Monsters and Heroes (not Characters) as I stare at the files and that is how I see things. You can only convey so much on a Talk page as opposed to some other actual form of "team" communication. --NecroSanct (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
I second that notion for the sake of simpler articles. The incorrect names do kinda annoy me, but as we are currently a budding wiki for a a brand new game these things take a bit of patience. I'll try to catch as many as these incorrect namings and fix them in the next few days so it will help people with naming of future pages. Meanwhile please keep up the good work and tell us if there's other problems. As for communication,what would you suggest? Something like ICR could work pretty well.
::::--Dooomspeaker (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


I'd like to remove the abilities section and instead insert "Effects inflicted". I think that information is much more useful and take up less space than the abilities column.

I'm attached a C&P from my excel file below. I'm willing to fill these in myself if everyone agrees to it but I need help inserting the symbols as I don't know how yet. Effects within "[...]" means veteran and champion versions have this effect.

List of Shared Monsters[edit | edit source]

Enemy Inflicts

Bone Rabble -

Brigand Bloodletter Bleed, Stress , Knockback 1

Brigand Cutthroat Bleed, Debuff (Bleed), Knockback 1

Brigand Fusilier Debuff (Dodge)

Cultist Acolyte Stress,Pull 2, Knockback 2, Torch -10, [Mark]

Cultist Brawler Bleed, Debuff (Stress), [Focus marked]

Ghoul Bleed, Stress, Stun, Disease

Madman Stress, Debuff (Stress)

Maggot Disease, Stun, Stress

Spitter Blight, Focus marked

Webber Blight, Stun, Mark, Debuff (Blight), Focus marked


List of Ruins Monsters[edit | edit source]

Enemy Inflicts

Bone Captain Stun, Debuff (STUN)

Bone Courtier Stress

Bone Spearman

Bone Soldier

Bone Arbalist

Bone Defender Stun, Knockback 1, Debuff (STUN)

Gargoyle Stun, Knockback 1/2


List Of Warrens Monsters[edit | edit source]

Enemy Inflicts

Swine Chopper Bleed, Debuff (Heals), Stun

Swine Slasher Debuff (Bleed, Disease)

Swine Wretch Stress, Disease

Swine Drummer Mark, Debuff (Dodge), Stress

Carrion Eater Blight, Disease, Focus Marked

Large Carrion Eater Mark, Debuff (DMG, ACC), Focus marked

Swinetaur Stun, Knockback 3



List Of Weald Monsters[edit | edit source]

Enemy Inflicts

Ectoplasm Summon, Stress

Large Ectoplasm Summon, Stun

Rabid Gnasher Disease, Bleed

Fungal Scratcher Blight, Focus marked

Fungal Artillery Blight, Mark, Debuff (DODGE), Disease

Crone Stress, Blight, Debuff (ACC, DODGE), -Torch

Unclean Giant Blight, Shuffle, Knockback


List of Cove Monsters[edit | edit source]

Enemy Inflicts

Pelagic Grouper Pull

Pelagic Shaman Heal, Buff (DMG,ACC, CRT), Stress

Pelagic Guardian Bleed, Guard

Sea Maggot Debuff, Disease

Deep Stinger Stun, Bleed, Debuff (Bleed), Disease

Drowned Thrall Stress, Kamikaze

Uca Crusher Debuff (heal), Stun, Knockback 3

Mrbunnyban (talk) 13:15, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I can see your point about taking up less space, but I personally disagree. Some players, such as myself, like to be able to see the full effect of an enemy's attack as to plan accordingly or just get some insight into how the game works. That said I don't think this is a bad idea and maybe one of the other moderaters have an opionion on this, but as it stands I am against removing the abilities. GentleIceZ (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I think we could easily compromise: I too dislike the idea of removing full information, especially since this is a general page and we have all the space we need. That said, I believe there is enough space for an additional column with "Common effects" or something like that, which would surely be more explicative than just listing the names of the attacks. We can also adopt a different alternative: put little icons next to each attack's name to hint on what the attack does; every status effect has an icon and the game itself uses them on the enemy screen since release patch. Tell me your opinion on this. --itaShadd (talk) 13:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Er, I'm talking about the general page, which doesn't have information about the full effect of an attack anyway. Just the names of the attacks, which I feel is rather useless info by itself. But I'm willing to compromise anyway and put the little icons next to the attack names on the general page... if I knew how. Someone teach me? Mrbunnyban (talk) 15:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC) ...I'm sure I'll figure it out, given time. Anyway, we all agree with putting the little icons of the effects next to the names of the abilities? Or use another column called "Effects"?Mrbunnyban (talk) 16:09, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

You can use the little icons; only, I'm not sure how to present information for attacks that gain extra effects at later difficulties. Anyway, you can write this aside the text:
[[File:Poptext_bleed.png|20px]] Rend for the old gods
and it will show up like this: Poptext bleed.png Rend for the old gods. You can look for additional options on the help wiki page for files, and you can find the filename for various icons copying them from the code of Status effects. Give a holler if you need anything else. --itaShadd (talk) 17:51, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Ah, my bad, Mrbunnyban. I apologize for the misunderstanding. That said perhaps we only need to add the apprentice ones for now, since that's all the information on the general page right now anyway GentleIceZ (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Ranks on abilities[edit source]

An anonymous editor added ranks to the abilities today, and while I like the idea I have two problems with this;
1) It seems unnecessary on this page
2) It's fairly clumsy and difficult to read at a glance
As it is now I'm going to roll back this edit 24 hours from now. If anyone has any suggestions, ideas or concerns feel free to leave them here. GentleIceZ (talk) 16:53, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree: detailed info is available on each monster's page and including that info here would be redundant and make the page too crowded: the list should only include generic and immediately useful info, with the individual pages usable if one needs further details. --itaShadd (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

What are Brigand Raider and Brigand Hunter from the Vvulf event doing in enemies within all dungeons?[edit source]

User 178.235.161.56 (me) asks to remove mentioned enemies from "Enemies found within all dungeons" section due to fact they appear only in the Hamlet. I also wonders why for so long time they fit in here and the reason why I don't remove them myself, is that for long no admin did so. Is this a mistake?

They actually can rarely appear in any champion level dungeon! So no, they should be listed there. Eable2 (talk) 14:56, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Eable2 is correct, 178. The Radiant Update made it so that the Brigand Raider and Brigand Hunter can be found in any dungeon so long as it's champion level. Usually they're only found in groups of three or a single one along side a Bloodletter. Also, when you end a post on a talk page, remember to put 4 ~ at the end of your post so we know who made it and when, like so GentleIceZ (talk) 19:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Bloodsuckers are missing Darkest stats[edit source]

The bloodsucker enemies in the Countess' courtyard quest all(?) have a Darkest statline that isn't yet included in their pages. You can see that they have improved hit points compared to their Champion variants, but I have no idea what other changes there are.

Flavour Text needed on the Farmstead enemies[edit source]

I'm not experienced with adding flavour text or background on the enemies like the Miller or Sleeper because most of the farmstead enemies are mostly blank.